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Rossi E-CAT reactor
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Ian Macmillan
2011-05-30 11:37:59 UTC
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Rossi and Focardi's Energy Catalyzer

This fascinating development has all the earmarks of a scam; the lack of
scholarly expositions, the secret catalyst, the patent refusal, and the
pending large scale commercial development, all of which we have seen
many times before.

However, some very credible observers have witnessed demonstrations at
various locations and have been unable to cast doubt on the claims, or
been able to suggest any mundane explanation of the results.

The tests have been carried out openly, with no restriction of external
inspection, only the internal construction of the very small reactors
being concealed.

It appears to be very likely that there is something to this which, if
true, heralds a revolution in compact energy production, representing the
long sought after "cold fusion water heater".

The basis of the reactor is said to be that at a critical temperature and
other conditions, nickel powder can react with atomic hydrogen in such a
way that some nickel is transmuted to copper, releasing energy.

The reaction does not involve "free energy", and can be justified in
terms of inputs and outputs. However the mechanism by which this occurs
is unknown, especially in regard to producing the required monatomic
hydrogen and the actual transmutation. Presumably the mystery "catalyst"
plays a part.

There is significant "prior art" published by Prof. Focardi and others
who have been intrigued by anomalous heat production in atomic hydrogen
and nickel. The ancestry of these studies is as disparate as the atomic
hydrogen welding process, as widely used in Germany during WW2, and the
humble coherer. However, until now, no reproducable production of
significant heat from a practical device has been attained.

Even if the device is all that is claimed for it, it seems to be far from
being an industrial device - let alone suitable for consumer use. The
proposed 1MW unit to be installed in Greece, with 300 reactors in a 20
foot shipping container, sounds like a nightmare plumbing and control
problem, and I cannot help being reminded of Zorba the Greek.

The resemblance to a scam scenario is so obvious that, given the apparent
credibilty of the claims, I wonder if it is a deliberate ploy.

Finally, perhaps your next car will be steam powered....

Ian Macmillan
banev
2011-05-30 14:11:38 UTC
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Rossiand Focardi's Energy Catalyzer
This fascinating development has all the earmarks of a scam; the lack of
scholarly expositions, the secret catalyst, the patent refusal, and the
pending large scale commercial development, all of which we have seen
many times before.
However, some very credible observers have witnessed demonstrations at
various locations and have been unable to cast doubt on the claims, or
been able to suggest any mundane explanation of the results.
The tests have been carried out openly, with no restriction of external
inspection, only the internal construction of the very small reactors
being concealed.
It appears to be very likely that there is something to this which, if
true, heralds a revolution in compact energy production, representing the
long sought after "coldfusionwater heater".
The basis of the reactor is said to be that at a critical temperature and
other conditions, nickel powder can react with atomic hydrogen in such a
way that some nickel is transmuted to copper, releasing energy.
The reaction does not involve "free energy", and can be justified in
terms of inputs and outputs. However the mechanism by which this occurs
is unknown, especially in regard to producing the required monatomic
hydrogen and the actual transmutation. Presumably the mystery "catalyst"
plays a part.
There is significant "prior art" published by Prof. Focardi and others
who have been intrigued by anomalous heat production in atomic hydrogen
and nickel. The ancestry of these studies is as disparate as the atomic
hydrogen welding process, as widely used in Germany during WW2, and the
humble coherer. However, until now, no reproducable production of
significant heat from a practical device has been attained.
Even if the device is all that is claimed for it, it seems to be far from
being an industrial device - let alone suitable for consumer use. The
proposed 1MW unit to be installed in Greece, with 300 reactors in a 20
foot shipping container, sounds like a nightmare plumbing and control
problem, and I cannot help being reminded of Zorba the Greek.
The resemblance to a scam scenario is so obvious that, given the apparent
credibilty of the claims, I wonder if it is a deliberate ploy.
Finally, perhaps your next car will be steam powered....
Ian Macmillan
At this point, there are three distinguishable camps:

1) the majority from total-skeptics to moderate optimists - "will see
in October"

2) the people invested in different more or less traditional "fusion"
solutions (they defend their investments)

3) there are few researchers actually involved in the race for the
practical "cold fusion" device; there is ongoing under-carpet fight
from "cold fusion" veterans underdogs to what appears as a
"government" activities: patent war, NASA leak, total silence of
mainstreams...

First 2 comps are well represented in news-groups and blogs. The third
group is barely visible on Net, and easily can be interpreted as a
pigment of imagination of conspiracy crooks.

This forum represents mostly group 2&1 so a few follow up are expected
(if any) until October's "fiasco" - fiasco for LENR/CF opponents or
for proponents as well.

Stefan
Jarek Duda
2011-06-21 07:13:31 UTC
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CF seems to be impossible because of strong coulomb repulsion of
nuclei, but the situation completely changes if there is also
attracting electron between them. The question is if it can be
localized there for essential time - looking at it as succeeding
scatterings of this electron, even classical approximation suggests CF
is possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-fall_atomic_model
Explanatory note of their author was published by Nature a month after
P&F in 1989 as a natural consequence of decades of his work.
In this picture the electron is finally 'crashed' between these two
nuclei - suggesting these three bodies could be combined in this
moment, what would explain the lack of 511keV radiation from beta
decay of instable copper isotopes required in pure proton capture.
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